As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Book is Han Solo. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. We never saw her effort to become that person. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. 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She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. 71 comments so far. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. I mean, it was just so fun! By: TrekMovie.com Staff Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? Thats just a matter of preference. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. Agreed. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. All are Trek! With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. It inspired her to switch careers. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Stupid decision to bring her back. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. That is definitely not a true statement. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. What? Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. That was an awfully fast turnaround. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Right! Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. By existing? All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. I feel bad saying this but Ive never a read a Star Trek novel in my life lol. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. Even though she's still in the final season of Starfleet Aacademy studies She was assigned to the USS Discovery to get some practical experience. Just more pandering. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. lol ;). It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Shes supposed to set the example. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. 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I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Story: With . Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Then maybe I would actually remember his name! "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Come on she looks great. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Agree. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. You misunderstood. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. I see them as similar. The U.S.S. DSC had many issues at the beginning. ;). Shes magnetic. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. But I really do like Book a lot! They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. It seems like people like her say: this is me. I could watch Tilly all day! The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. If you cant understand that message, then you are very much part of the problem. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I have considered it and rejected it. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Many smoke to keep the weight off. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. And others opinions dont factor in. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Ive never liked Tilly. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. Body shaming is wrong and immature. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). And the only family she has is on that ship. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. Maybe sociological issues? Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. Just blows my mind. In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? It means something to me. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. I think you are talking jibberish. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Too nervous and anxious. David Ajala: Yeah. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. I dont understand this at all. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Learning? It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. She is super meta. They basically wrote her off the show! So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. I love Tilly. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Thats kind of what I was playing with. . There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. Thats not a leader. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. Took time to reset the franchise. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? Exactly. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. Please dont ban me!). Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. That could explain the weight gain. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. Shes loved. Its sci-fi, brah. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Its gotten very stale now. Harry wasnt annoying. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. And tons dont. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. No probably not. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. It makes it quite American centric. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. She is a real girl. Samarkand? Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Yes, The Expanse. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! So I was also just very excited for the fans. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. Episodes will be. Its shall we say very variable. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. Sorry TM, its MY fault! It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). Hopefully its . Background information. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway.
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