What I learned after 50 years of shooting and reloading 38spl cases some where around 100 thousands rounds. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. Main fame for the .38 is now the J frame size revolvers, as a CCW gun. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. Have a Tritium sight and laser on it to boot. Classic loads are economical. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. In the 1950s, 60s. 7.) Thank you for the article. So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. . Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. Your email address will not be published. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. * with #2 Lyman duplicate. That sounds. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. 38 Special 17,000 +P? But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. Posted: 4/17/2014 10:53:09 AM EST. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. 5.) Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? Hornady I.E. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. WC, 158 gr. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. Its hard to find those swaged SWCs and hollow point bullets anyone; it seems everyone is only interested in hard cast for velocity and penetration. Many reloading manuals also list an estimated pressure with a given load. Really interested in getting the. (For those who would. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. You can post now and register later. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. Oh, I practice with it. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. Choosing a bullet 38 spl.s. Posted March 2, 2013. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 Most notably the lighter weight bullets. What are YOU shooting? Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. And.those Hornady 158 HPs are easy to reload but I have never had one open up in a varmint of any sort. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. Interesting. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. 6.) As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. Great article & thread!!! I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. . Thats not quite how that works. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. Interesting. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. Maybe once a year I would reset everything to load up a few hundred .38 Spl for the wifes Detective Special, then right back to .357. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! By Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. But still nothing under 3.5". Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. Fast burning and consistent Economical and accurate Principal Purpose: Handgun loads Remarks: America's best known pistol powder. Not all guns are created equal. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. Try. head I use 3.2gr. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! Below, are three loaded rounds. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. It is a very versatile and useful round. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. I can get away with using it as cast w/ alox. Your email address will not be published. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? Hollow points are not. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. I almost spit out my drink when I read your comment. Load it like Trail Boss. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. 4.4 gr. 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Beginners to shooting can use a full size revolver or their carry gun with light to mild loads to become confident and familiar with marksmanship and trigger control. I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. Also some WSF. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. Your link has been automatically embedded. butt 686 shipped w/ Hogue monogrips, discarded immediately due to pronounced finger grooves. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. You have never indicated what barrel length or brand or frame size you may be using these in. IIRC, I used 4.5 gr of Bullseye under a 125 gr lead bullet for a light plinker, and 5.6 gr of Bullseye under a 148 gr wadcutter (~815 fps, 4" bbl, probably around 750 fps out of a snub). I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). I miss those days. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. As I said I am not familiar with your frame and suspect it is one of the latest models out by Smith. Display as a link instead, I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. I meant to say NRA. Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter.
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